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Author: Marissa [ Edit View ]. All children under 15 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. They do get a bit embarrassed, but I see them naked other times too so they get over it quickly.

Author: Tom [ Edit View ]. He worked his way through all the students in the whole school in one day. He started with all the boys in first grade, then all the girls as he worked up through the grades.

The boys were brought into the office in a line and when it was our turn the doctor would listen to our heartbeat and breathing, we would then lower our pants and underwear and he would do the hernia check where he stuck his finger up on each side next to your balls as you turned you head and coughed.

You could then pull up your pants and wait in the hall until the rest of your class was finished. They never did any rectal exams, we were too young for that.

And I don't think the doctor ever had gloves on. There were a couple of partitions that blocked any view from the hall, but also in the room was the female nurse, who could see what the doctor was doing if she looked up, but she was usually busy taking the notes of what the doctor was saying.

The male principal was also in the room, probably to keep the students from miss-behaving. When the boys were done the girls were brought in with no overlap.

I don't know what was involved with the girls examination, but when they came back into the classroom they were all giggling. The principal was probably not in the room for the girls exam.

I could never get any of the girls to tell me what their exam consisted of. A hernia check would not have been necessary, so can anyone tell me what was involved with the girls exams?

The boys were lined up to see the male doctor and the female nurse. During the hernia check we dropped our underpants. Unfortunately, when it was my turn a student office assistant, a girl I knew, came in with a note for the school nurse.

She stood behind the nurse observing everything before handing the note to the nurse. I have never been so embarrassed. Today, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Author: Willy [ Edit View ]. How much do they have to undress. Author: Marissa to Willy [ Edit View ]. The boys are in briefs for most of the exam, but they lower them to the knees for hernia and testicle checks.

So they are fully exposed for about one minute at the end of the exam. Author: Mariissa to Willy [ Edit View ]. Author: Ken [ Edit View ]. These were mostly hygiene inspections and to check for any skin problems and such, so our penises and testicles and also our butt cracks were particularly paid attention to.

These were usually done after Friday showers in the presence of our class female teachers who would oversee and line up the boys, still naked out of the showers, for the nurse's inspection.

Each boy would go in front of the nurse, who would be sitting on the locker room bench, to be inspected one after the other. Some boys would be erect or get erect while standing naked in front of the nurse and also while standing in line waiting for our turn.

It was embarrassing and erections were inevitable standing there naked all together in front of our female teacher and nurse.

The worst was in 7th grade when the nurse had two girl learners from another school who were still in their teens. She showed them how the inspections are done and what to look for and even let them practice on some boys in our class.

Needless to say erections among us boys were rampant when the girls were present. They must have seen all the boys in our school naked.

It was a boys only boarding school and each class had about 25 boys from 5th to 8th grade. But no one could complain because discipline was strict at the school and teachers could spank, so you had to do what you were told.

Author: hervee [ Edit View ]. They are trained to have no comment What in the hell? Author: to Yahoo [ Edit View ]. Probably not It's like reading about how schools did "penis inspections" or something.

Author: Bill [ Edit View ]. However Marissa did not mention why she checks their testicles. It may be that her doctor told her to do that for some other reason, which may be among others like undescended testicles or other problems.

It is also a standard way for doctors to gauge a boy's sexual development by the size of his testicles. I don't remember what it is called but it has a specific name.

So there could be many reasons why she checks their testicles. So could Marissa please explain further why she does these checks? Author: Josh [ Edit View ].

Not sure if that was why the girl spoke of it. Our family doctor recommended regular checks starting at age What exactly trecommended your family doctor?

Regular checks starting at age 12 by parent or regular checks by the family doctor? Author: Sandra [ Edit View ].

We were naked and female teachers saw us. The sames virus that causes verrucas can cause sore red patches on testicles apparently non-STD and we were checked for that.

Author: Steve [ Edit View ]. It was no big deal. The nurses are engaged in the medical examination and should not deal with the order, discipline and organization of the event.

This should be the care of the class teacher who should provide these organizational activities. Author: Jaquard [ Edit View ]. Author: John Mad [ Edit View ].

A noble endevor involves making a sacrifice for the greater good. She and her abusers sacrifice nothing. The only greater good is her pleasure at the forced sacrifice of her victim.

What a crock! Author: Douglas Norberg [ Edit View ]. The only thing that matters is what the boys opinion of it is! I guarantee you that they don't like it!

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Author: feks [ Edit View ]. It was done in the gym over a period of about three days. Each day some number of us, like 10 maybe, were told we would get examined that day.

We were to go into the gym in our underpants. In the gym, there were two sectioned off areas, where different parts of the exam took place.

The teacher called me in to the first area. She weighed and measured me, then told me to lie on the exam table. She was a teacher, not a nurse, so I had no idea why, but I laid down on my back.

She came over and pulled my undies down. I wasn't expecting that then. I did sort of expect that in the dr's part of the exam.

She stepped away from the table, leaving me lying there, bare. Then I saw her take a thermometer and shake it down.

I thought to myself "this can't be what I think it is. She came to the table and told me to roll over on my tummy.

She spread my cheeks apart and inserted the thermometer and held my cheeks together for a few minutes, occassionally twirling the thermometer and sliding it in and out.

Then she took it out and told me to stay there. She got some tissue and wiped my bottom not very well, though , then slapped each of my cheeks and told me I could get up.

She didn't tell me to pull up my undies, but once I was standing, I did. There was really no need for her to have exposed me in front like that.

She could have first had me lie on my stomach. I was then shown into the second area, where there was the dr.

The dr. The teacher at first was behind me, but after I got my undies down, she stood in front of me. I didn't want to look at her, but I did anyhow, and could see her looking at my parts.

At that age, I'm sure I wasn't too impressive up front. There really was no reason for her to look. When it was a secretary, I could see it, as they were all female, but if it was a teacher, it could just as well have been a male.

Author: Mrs. Shields [ Edit View ]. At the start of the year both boys and girls had school physicals and I supervised all of my classes both boys and girls.

I don't know if the boys were embarrassed by my presence but I had sons so I knew what little boys looked like.

There wasn't anything at all sexual about seeing these little boys naked. For me it was just something that had to be done and I did.

For the most part boys at that age all looked the same and and never remembered what the boys in my class looked like naked, well except for one boy who was quite fat, but for all the rest it was ordinary and no different from seeing the little girls naked.

Author: Feks [ Edit View ]. Shields, I appreciate your comments, but I think you're missing the point. It's about how the BOYS felt. That's the point which always seems to get missed.

I realize sometimes it can't be helped, such as a doctor's office policy requiring a parent in the room during the exam, but that's not usually the case.

Did the male teachers supervise the girls' exams at that age? You are exactly right. Every time I hear that justification, I am amazed anyone buys it.

It does not matter how many times she has seen naked boys - the only issue is how the boy feels being seen naked by his teacher.

If precedent matters and it doesn't , she hadn't seen him naked before and he hasn't been seen naked by her before - so both are new to this situation.

I remember shopping for a nursing home for my Mom. One was good except for the shower, which was not in her room but down the hall. I asked how the escorted assistance was done and the tour guide said my Mom would be assisted by staff of both genders.

When I seemed surprised about men filling this role, the guide assured me that the men assisting had seen it all before and would be comfortable helping my Mom.

I was shocked at the insensitivity. I said I didn't care if the assistant was comfortable - I was only concerned that my Mom wouldn't be too uncomfortable since she would be the one undressed!

We ended up going to a different home but it was the same ridiculous reasoning that you just pointed out!

Good job. We all know that the answer is NO! It's even worse with your Mom. That's a totally disrespectful attitude. I can't believe they said that.

I can't understand, especially in the sensitive situation of your Mom, that their perspective is so skewed. Interestingly, while I completely agree with your position, and would feel the same about my mom, I thought about what if it was my dad.

And it seemed natural that he might be showered by a female and it would seem silly of me to make an issue of it. I'm embarrassed to admit, I possess some of the same double standards we talk about on here.

Of course that might have to do with women usually filling those roles. In school though, there's no reason a male teacher can't escort students.

Parenthetically, while it was a long time ago, I'm not sure it was appropriate for a teacher to perform an invasive procedure, like taking a rectal temperature, esp since it had been at least a couple years since I'd had it done that way at home.

For that matter, why were our temps taken at all? In all the years I went for physicals to the pediatrician, never was my temperature taken.

A bit off subject, though. The other thing which always makes me roll my eyes is when a mom says 'oh, don't make a big thing of it being seen naked ; I used to change your diapers.

I do wonder if these silly responses are people just not knowing how else to respond. The other issue is, being seen bare isn't the only thing.

I clearly recall the last couple times my mom went into the exam room with me for a physical, as well as the school physicals, my biggest fear by far was getting an erection and having my mom or the teacher see that.

That may not have been an issue for Mrs. Shields' 4th graders. I didn't care that my mom would see my bare bottom for 30 seconds while the dr.

I remember thinking how it would suck if I got hard in front of the dr. But my mom or the teacher seeing it, even through my underpants, that would have been horrible.

Even as an adult, the idea of my mom seeing me hard is very uncomfortable; I don't like to think about it, and I'm far from a prude.

Like you, I guess I have some double standard attitudes because that wouldn't have seemed so bad to me.

The teacher assisting the doctor is a whole other scenario. Obviously she should be there only as a chaperone to give the doctor over in case the patient said the doctor was inappropriate.

No reason that she should do any of the procedures. And she should turn her back when you had to lower your underwater if she had any inclination toward decency and respect for you.

Also the rectal temperature was totally inappropriate. It is assumed the patient is healthy unless there are indications otherwise.

So if temperature by mouth indicates a normal range, it is inlikely the rectal would yield significantly different results. Lastly, Moms or other female relatives should not be in the exam room.

The doctor should have staff who could chaperone. Any significant findings could be shared with the Mom after the exam is complete.

This is the normal process when a girl has a gyno exam. The Dad never insists on being in the room to witness. There is no need for him to be there.

Same for the Mom. Like your comment about him see her tits back in the day when nursing. I would have used that comeback if she pulled out the BS excuse of seeing me naked while changing my diapers.

She was there, first of all, to ensure the right paperwork was being filled out for the right student and mostly, to make sure we cooperated, behaved and didn't screw around.

Sometimes it was a teacher, sometimes an member of the office staff, but always a female. Weighing and measuring us, fine.

But the temperature thing, I don't know what to think of it. There'r plenty of anecdotes about female teachers in the exams, so I imagine that was common, but I don't think the temperature taking was.

That said, if they were going to do that, in that era, there would have been no reason not to have the chaperone, whatever her position was, do it.

Yes, it would have been nice if she had turned away when the underwear came down, but it was never about how the kid felt. Without making this political, today we seem to be judging peoples' actions in the past based on today's standards.

I think some people, especially when it comes to spankings, describe situations where the adult increased the level of embarrassment for punishment sake.

That was wrong. But in the case of the exam, or other situations, it simply was that minor embarrassment of the kid wasn't an issue to be considered.

I'm not sure why she exposed me while I was on my back. It may have been she just didn't think about it, or it may have been that she wanted to see the boys' parts, or wanted them to be embarrassed.

Years ago, it was common for adults to get pleasure at embarrassing kids. Not humiliating them, but minor embarrassment.

Embarrassment just wasn't important. I remember a girl I went to high school with telling me she refused to go to their doctor for a physical exam and the trouble it caused her with her parents.

Her issue was, there was a new dr. Her mom disagreed and said there was no good reason to change doctors. I would imagine a grown woman who has given birth a number of times, has a different feeling about a male dr.

As for moms in the exam room, I don't think it's realistic for the dr's office to have a chaperone for each doctor and at that time, the idea didn't exist.

I would hope when it becomes uncomfortable for a boy or girl to have his mom in the room, he could ask if he could go in alone. That's what I did when I was My mom was in the room with me for sick visits, but for physicals, I went in alone after that.

There is also another factor to consider. We weren't prudish in our house; being in underwear getting ready in the morning was fine, but it would probably have been objected to if we ran around naked.

That said, the exception to it was for medical reasons. What was appropriate in a medical context wasn't necessarily appropriate in general.

Without being graphic, that played out in a couple ways. The conversation about nursing homes reminded me about something that bugged me years ago.

I was a healthcare provider and often went to nursing homes. In many of the lower quality ones which don't exist anymore, thank goodness , it wasn't uncommon to see some of the more 'out of it' residents walking around with their johnnie open in the back, their bottoms on display apparently they were with it enough to not need Depends.

I'd always tie their johnnie if one walked by me and the nursing staff often said "oh don't worry about it; they're too out of it to be embarrassed.

If the weren't 'out of it,' they would be embarrassed and we should have enough respect for them to keep that in mind.

In any case, back to the original issue, I really don't know how to consider what were normal actions many years ago. I will say, I'm not angry or bitter about it; I was just reflecting on it.

And I wasn't angry about it back then either. In general two responses. One point is I have never been a fan of because it was common practice, it was automatically okay.

Second, intentional cruelty for personal pleasure is never okay. You are correct in saying that kid feelings were never considered.

So in some of these smaller embarrassment situations, it was not as big a deal. The rectal temperature incident was way over the top - mouth temperature technology had been invented so there was absolutely no reason her use of a rectal thermometer.

Proof of her doing it for personal pleasure was her rotating it in your anus. That cannot be explained except for her pleasure. The argument against Mom in the exam room is not only it it unnecessary but if the genders were reversed, a father would never request or be allowed to be present in his daughter's gyno exam room.

There is simply no need for it. So common though it may have been, it was wrong. But the other argument for it is the hugely invasive and unnecessary practice of mothers bathing boys, which meant she viewed his naked body daily.

So this was a minor invasion compared to that. Both were wrong in my opinion. Glad to hear you stepped in to help nursing home residents retain some dignity.

Staff in these situations can become so callus. As if that should be the determining factor. Author: Sam [ Edit View ]. Your teacher was obviously acting as a nurse or in place of a nurse.

Many schools tried to save the expenses of hiring a nurse to assist the doctor, so they just made the teachers or office staff act as chaperones which could have included taking height and weight measurements and maybe even rectal temperatures.

But as I said these extra duties would have been rare especially for older boys like you mention. We did have our class female teacher chaperoning us in 5th grade, but I cannot imagine a female teacher chaperoning us in 8th grade as teens like you mention.

Were the other boys at your school also chaperoned by female teachers and had rectal temperatures also taken by them? Was it a private or public school?

It's not a question of it being ok because it was common, but it being ok because we had different standards and concerns at that time. I don't consider anything which happened to me to be intentional cruelty, or cruelty at all.

Some boys may have found the same actions to constitute cruelty, but not me. As for moms vs dads in the exam rooms, both my parents were there for some of my exams and they both were there for some of my sisters' exams.

No staff ever made an issue of it. Just to be clear, these weren't gyn exams; they were annual physicals. I did once ask one of my sister something about it and she said at some point the dr.

As others have said, moms usually went because they were the ones most commonly taking care of the kids, but in the rare case of a dad going, I've never heard of one being kicked out.

What did happen, as I've heard, is the brother and sister will go in together up to a certain age. The boy will be examined first and then kicked out when the girl is examined.

That would be another case of the double standard. Like the mom in the exam room issue, the mom bathing the son should end when the son says he would like to bathe himself and doesn't need help.

It's a problem if the mom doesn't allow it, but if the kid doesn't object, I don't see the problem, aside from whether or not he's developing independance at the right age.

Weighing and measuring the students is certainly something a teacher can do, and in fact, we were weighed and measured each year in PE.

All the boys who got their exams that day, or at least at that time, probably ten of us, were chaperoned by the same two teachers.

I never asked, or mentioned the rectal temperature to any of my classmates, but I imagine she took everyone's temperature.

I remember when I got up, seeing one box of clean thermometers and one partially filled box of used thermometers, so she didn't just do it to me. It was a private school.

Author: Dick Tracy [ Edit View ]. I don't think so. Do you hear of these things still happening? I am fairly certain those days are long gone.

I think all of you need to get past this. You're acting like this is still happening. A lot of these adults you bring up, are they still alive? You guys must be deeply scarred by this.

You can't forget it, much less forgive. Seems like you would like to throw all of these former teachers, nurses, parents into the pit of hell.

You need to put this away. You are not qualified to say should and shouldn't and expect everyone to follow your guidelines.

If anything, you have become the bully. It's common for people to look at how things were in the past and discuss what factors contributed to the dynamic, whether it was right or wrong, and what effect it had on people.

The entire women's movement is based on how social practices of the past have affected women currently. I will say, I harbor no anger or resentment at anything which happened to me in this regard I only discussed the school exam in this thread, but there were others.

I also don't think any of those incidents had a negative effect on me. There were other, totally unrelated incidents during that time which had a much more profound effect on me.

No one has said anything about throwing anyone into a pit of hell. No one has said anything about taking action against any of these people, so whether or not they're alive is irrelevant.

As for if these things still go on, some do, some don't. I don't know if they still do school physicals at school. I do know mom's still go with their sons for exams.

There still are many examples of where respect for boys' modesty lags well behind that of girls. I have no idea where you get the notion there's any bullying going on here, but that's one of those hot button terms right now.

I have to wonder if you're a woman who either did this years ago, or are doing some form of it now. You seem mighty defensive about a respectful exchange which is taking place here.

They never admit that these practices, like making boys swim nude and allowing female teachers to chaperone boys physical exams, were instituted and allowed by men.

Few women if any had any representation on school boards and other executive positions in those days which were all mostly male dominated. It was men who made these decisions.

I admit I do hate some women from afar based on their actions described in these posts. And I do hate their abuse and bogus justifications supporting it.

But women in general? No, I don't hate women. But I view all people as equal, with the same positives and negatives. That means I do not put women on a pedistal and believe they could never have the same negative attributes that some men have, like pedophilia.

Cruelty is as cruelty does. If your actions are consistently cruel then you are a cruel person and don't get a pass in my book just because your gender is female.

Lastly, as I have previously opined, while men made the rules, it was up to families to participate.

And since women had the primary responsibility in raising the kids, when boys were abused by these rules, I place the blame primarily on Moms but Dads also share the blame as the less interested bystander with power to stop it.

Plus I believe that many Moms were sexually excited at the abuse which allowed them to overcome their natural resistance in mentally hurting their sons.

This is admitedly speculation on my part. But it is based on the excitement of the girl's enjoyment of the boy's humiliation documented extensively on this site and the force necessary for the Mom to overrule their son's objections, which everyone could fully understand because they would feel the same way.

An institutional rule wouldn't have pushed them to hurt their boys but sexual excitement could.

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That's a totally disrespectful attitude. I can't believe they said that. I can't understand, especially in the sensitive situation of your Mom, that their perspective is so skewed.

Interestingly, while I completely agree with your position, and would feel the same about my mom, I thought about what if it was my dad. And it seemed natural that he might be showered by a female and it would seem silly of me to make an issue of it.

I'm embarrassed to admit, I possess some of the same double standards we talk about on here. Of course that might have to do with women usually filling those roles.

In school though, there's no reason a male teacher can't escort students. Parenthetically, while it was a long time ago, I'm not sure it was appropriate for a teacher to perform an invasive procedure, like taking a rectal temperature, esp since it had been at least a couple years since I'd had it done that way at home.

For that matter, why were our temps taken at all? In all the years I went for physicals to the pediatrician, never was my temperature taken.

A bit off subject, though. The other thing which always makes me roll my eyes is when a mom says 'oh, don't make a big thing of it being seen naked ; I used to change your diapers.

I do wonder if these silly responses are people just not knowing how else to respond. The other issue is, being seen bare isn't the only thing.

I clearly recall the last couple times my mom went into the exam room with me for a physical, as well as the school physicals, my biggest fear by far was getting an erection and having my mom or the teacher see that.

That may not have been an issue for Mrs. Shields' 4th graders. I didn't care that my mom would see my bare bottom for 30 seconds while the dr.

I remember thinking how it would suck if I got hard in front of the dr. But my mom or the teacher seeing it, even through my underpants, that would have been horrible.

Even as an adult, the idea of my mom seeing me hard is very uncomfortable; I don't like to think about it, and I'm far from a prude.

Like you, I guess I have some double standard attitudes because that wouldn't have seemed so bad to me. The teacher assisting the doctor is a whole other scenario.

Obviously she should be there only as a chaperone to give the doctor over in case the patient said the doctor was inappropriate. No reason that she should do any of the procedures.

And she should turn her back when you had to lower your underwater if she had any inclination toward decency and respect for you. Also the rectal temperature was totally inappropriate.

It is assumed the patient is healthy unless there are indications otherwise. So if temperature by mouth indicates a normal range, it is inlikely the rectal would yield significantly different results.

Lastly, Moms or other female relatives should not be in the exam room. The doctor should have staff who could chaperone. Any significant findings could be shared with the Mom after the exam is complete.

This is the normal process when a girl has a gyno exam. The Dad never insists on being in the room to witness. There is no need for him to be there.

Same for the Mom. Like your comment about him see her tits back in the day when nursing. I would have used that comeback if she pulled out the BS excuse of seeing me naked while changing my diapers.

She was there, first of all, to ensure the right paperwork was being filled out for the right student and mostly, to make sure we cooperated, behaved and didn't screw around.

Sometimes it was a teacher, sometimes an member of the office staff, but always a female. Weighing and measuring us, fine. But the temperature thing, I don't know what to think of it.

There'r plenty of anecdotes about female teachers in the exams, so I imagine that was common, but I don't think the temperature taking was.

That said, if they were going to do that, in that era, there would have been no reason not to have the chaperone, whatever her position was, do it.

Yes, it would have been nice if she had turned away when the underwear came down, but it was never about how the kid felt.

Without making this political, today we seem to be judging peoples' actions in the past based on today's standards.

I think some people, especially when it comes to spankings, describe situations where the adult increased the level of embarrassment for punishment sake.

That was wrong. But in the case of the exam, or other situations, it simply was that minor embarrassment of the kid wasn't an issue to be considered.

I'm not sure why she exposed me while I was on my back. It may have been she just didn't think about it, or it may have been that she wanted to see the boys' parts, or wanted them to be embarrassed.

Years ago, it was common for adults to get pleasure at embarrassing kids. Not humiliating them, but minor embarrassment.

Embarrassment just wasn't important. I remember a girl I went to high school with telling me she refused to go to their doctor for a physical exam and the trouble it caused her with her parents.

Her issue was, there was a new dr. Her mom disagreed and said there was no good reason to change doctors. I would imagine a grown woman who has given birth a number of times, has a different feeling about a male dr.

As for moms in the exam room, I don't think it's realistic for the dr's office to have a chaperone for each doctor and at that time, the idea didn't exist.

I would hope when it becomes uncomfortable for a boy or girl to have his mom in the room, he could ask if he could go in alone.

That's what I did when I was My mom was in the room with me for sick visits, but for physicals, I went in alone after that.

There is also another factor to consider. We weren't prudish in our house; being in underwear getting ready in the morning was fine, but it would probably have been objected to if we ran around naked.

That said, the exception to it was for medical reasons. What was appropriate in a medical context wasn't necessarily appropriate in general. Without being graphic, that played out in a couple ways.

The conversation about nursing homes reminded me about something that bugged me years ago. I was a healthcare provider and often went to nursing homes.

In many of the lower quality ones which don't exist anymore, thank goodness , it wasn't uncommon to see some of the more 'out of it' residents walking around with their johnnie open in the back, their bottoms on display apparently they were with it enough to not need Depends.

I'd always tie their johnnie if one walked by me and the nursing staff often said "oh don't worry about it; they're too out of it to be embarrassed.

If the weren't 'out of it,' they would be embarrassed and we should have enough respect for them to keep that in mind. In any case, back to the original issue, I really don't know how to consider what were normal actions many years ago.

I will say, I'm not angry or bitter about it; I was just reflecting on it. And I wasn't angry about it back then either.

In general two responses. One point is I have never been a fan of because it was common practice, it was automatically okay.

Second, intentional cruelty for personal pleasure is never okay. You are correct in saying that kid feelings were never considered.

So in some of these smaller embarrassment situations, it was not as big a deal. The rectal temperature incident was way over the top - mouth temperature technology had been invented so there was absolutely no reason her use of a rectal thermometer.

Proof of her doing it for personal pleasure was her rotating it in your anus. That cannot be explained except for her pleasure. The argument against Mom in the exam room is not only it it unnecessary but if the genders were reversed, a father would never request or be allowed to be present in his daughter's gyno exam room.

There is simply no need for it. So common though it may have been, it was wrong. But the other argument for it is the hugely invasive and unnecessary practice of mothers bathing boys, which meant she viewed his naked body daily.

So this was a minor invasion compared to that. Both were wrong in my opinion. Glad to hear you stepped in to help nursing home residents retain some dignity.

Staff in these situations can become so callus. As if that should be the determining factor. Author: Sam [ Edit View ]. Your teacher was obviously acting as a nurse or in place of a nurse.

Many schools tried to save the expenses of hiring a nurse to assist the doctor, so they just made the teachers or office staff act as chaperones which could have included taking height and weight measurements and maybe even rectal temperatures.

But as I said these extra duties would have been rare especially for older boys like you mention. We did have our class female teacher chaperoning us in 5th grade, but I cannot imagine a female teacher chaperoning us in 8th grade as teens like you mention.

Were the other boys at your school also chaperoned by female teachers and had rectal temperatures also taken by them? Was it a private or public school?

It's not a question of it being ok because it was common, but it being ok because we had different standards and concerns at that time.

I don't consider anything which happened to me to be intentional cruelty, or cruelty at all. Some boys may have found the same actions to constitute cruelty, but not me.

As for moms vs dads in the exam rooms, both my parents were there for some of my exams and they both were there for some of my sisters' exams.

No staff ever made an issue of it. Just to be clear, these weren't gyn exams; they were annual physicals. I did once ask one of my sister something about it and she said at some point the dr.

As others have said, moms usually went because they were the ones most commonly taking care of the kids, but in the rare case of a dad going, I've never heard of one being kicked out.

What did happen, as I've heard, is the brother and sister will go in together up to a certain age. The boy will be examined first and then kicked out when the girl is examined.

That would be another case of the double standard. Like the mom in the exam room issue, the mom bathing the son should end when the son says he would like to bathe himself and doesn't need help.

It's a problem if the mom doesn't allow it, but if the kid doesn't object, I don't see the problem, aside from whether or not he's developing independance at the right age.

Weighing and measuring the students is certainly something a teacher can do, and in fact, we were weighed and measured each year in PE.

All the boys who got their exams that day, or at least at that time, probably ten of us, were chaperoned by the same two teachers.

I never asked, or mentioned the rectal temperature to any of my classmates, but I imagine she took everyone's temperature.

I remember when I got up, seeing one box of clean thermometers and one partially filled box of used thermometers, so she didn't just do it to me.

It was a private school. Author: Dick Tracy [ Edit View ]. I don't think so. Do you hear of these things still happening? I am fairly certain those days are long gone.

I think all of you need to get past this. You're acting like this is still happening. A lot of these adults you bring up, are they still alive?

You guys must be deeply scarred by this. You can't forget it, much less forgive. Seems like you would like to throw all of these former teachers, nurses, parents into the pit of hell.

You need to put this away. You are not qualified to say should and shouldn't and expect everyone to follow your guidelines.

If anything, you have become the bully. It's common for people to look at how things were in the past and discuss what factors contributed to the dynamic, whether it was right or wrong, and what effect it had on people.

The entire women's movement is based on how social practices of the past have affected women currently. I will say, I harbor no anger or resentment at anything which happened to me in this regard I only discussed the school exam in this thread, but there were others.

I also don't think any of those incidents had a negative effect on me. There were other, totally unrelated incidents during that time which had a much more profound effect on me.

No one has said anything about throwing anyone into a pit of hell. No one has said anything about taking action against any of these people, so whether or not they're alive is irrelevant.

As for if these things still go on, some do, some don't. I don't know if they still do school physicals at school. I do know mom's still go with their sons for exams.

There still are many examples of where respect for boys' modesty lags well behind that of girls. I have no idea where you get the notion there's any bullying going on here, but that's one of those hot button terms right now.

I have to wonder if you're a woman who either did this years ago, or are doing some form of it now. You seem mighty defensive about a respectful exchange which is taking place here.

They never admit that these practices, like making boys swim nude and allowing female teachers to chaperone boys physical exams, were instituted and allowed by men.

Few women if any had any representation on school boards and other executive positions in those days which were all mostly male dominated. It was men who made these decisions.

I admit I do hate some women from afar based on their actions described in these posts. And I do hate their abuse and bogus justifications supporting it.

But women in general? No, I don't hate women. But I view all people as equal, with the same positives and negatives.

That means I do not put women on a pedistal and believe they could never have the same negative attributes that some men have, like pedophilia.

Cruelty is as cruelty does. If your actions are consistently cruel then you are a cruel person and don't get a pass in my book just because your gender is female.

Lastly, as I have previously opined, while men made the rules, it was up to families to participate. And since women had the primary responsibility in raising the kids, when boys were abused by these rules, I place the blame primarily on Moms but Dads also share the blame as the less interested bystander with power to stop it.

Plus I believe that many Moms were sexually excited at the abuse which allowed them to overcome their natural resistance in mentally hurting their sons.

This is admitedly speculation on my part. But it is based on the excitement of the girl's enjoyment of the boy's humiliation documented extensively on this site and the force necessary for the Mom to overrule their son's objections, which everyone could fully understand because they would feel the same way.

An institutional rule wouldn't have pushed them to hurt their boys but sexual excitement could. Again speculation but makes sense to me.

But even if I am wrong about that, the reason is secondary to the action because it was cruel regardless of their reason. I do hate abusers and their justifications, which are bogus.

First I realize that labeling Forced Boy Nudity as cruel is controversial. In your experience, boys quickly got over their embarrassment and were fine afterwards.

Two things. Despite your personal response, do you believe that everyone got over it? Because posts on this site say differently. Some guys swam for years on the swim team and say they never got comfortable.

Second, just because you eventually came to accept what you could not change, does that make the order to be nude less cruel? I argue not, Just because you adapted does not change the cruelty of the order, in my opinion.

Also previously you said men made the rules so Moms were not responsible. But what of non-institutional FBN? Swimming at the beach is one example.

Lots of boys objected to being nude say in front of their girl cousins and were overruled. And of the posts on this site, it was always the woman in charge, Mom or Aunt, that forced them to be nude.

Institutional rules played no part. Last argument in your favor is that Moms may have been driven by tradition and did not mean to be cruel.

But I don't think you disregard you son's objections when they are so reasonable. Proof is they know their daughters would be horrified to be nude in that situation.

So even though that scenario was never even considered, they knew that yet made their son be nude anyway. To me, that is cruel.

Author: Odd Job [ Edit View ]. In , the 20th century staged a brief appearance in the form of a school board president,a man, who entertained the outrageous notion that boys were human and deserved to be treated as such--he actually proposed boys be allowed to wear swim suits in class!

So, the measure was unanimously defeated. Unanimously, meaning all the women voted against it as well as the men. In an article in the paper, the head of the teacher's union a black woman voiced her opposition to changing the nudity policy.

So much for that much vaunted female "empathy". Sorry, but women were just as culpable, and just as unrepentant as the comments on this thread suggest they were.

I assume the taking swimming class was mandatory? Because if not, I would expect few males would sign up for swimming under those rules.

Did they also mandate that girls swim in suits together with nude boys? Or that boys must swim nude at meets in front of mixed spectators?

The YMCA boards were all male and made the same rules about boys swimming nude, even at meets in front of mixed spectators sometimes.

One must have the whole picture and not just cite one example. There were other school boards, including in the Illinois area like you mention, where the women on the board voted for buying suits for boys to swim in against the male board members who wanted boys to continue to swim nude.

The financial consideration of buying hundreds or thousands of swimsuits for boys in these schools was a budgetary and financial decision among other reasons why boards voted against swimsuits for boys.

The money could be spent on more important needs for these schools with a tight budget. One may ask why these nude rules also not applied to girls, but it was unthinkable in those days to make girls swim nude.

Parents would have rose up in revolt against such a decision, but boys did not matter. I wonder why this was all important. I mean we are talking about major stakes here - recognizing the humanity of boys or not.

Since buying suits was such a budget breaker, I am surprised that they didn't let the students bring their own. I can understand if suits cost hundreds of dollars.

But they are relatively cheap and the bogus argument about clogged filters had been debunked by the s so suit material wouldn't have been an issue.

Finally, they could have a waiver program where the school paid for the few suits needed by destitute students.

I know I am asking impossible questions to answer. Just thoughts running through my head. But I sure wonder if these discussions were made or whether males were considered so lowly and their sacrifice so minor that it was not worth the effort to even discuss doable alternatives.

Or like Odd Job said, they didn't want to turn their sons into There were a lot of skin infection diseases in those days and swimsuits were tought to carry germs, especially if they were not thoroughly washed and disinfected.

Which is also why boys were made to take a shower with soap before entering the pool. In some places they were thouroughly inspected after the showers to make sure they were completely clean and with no signs of skin diseases or infections before entering the pool.

In fact it was the National Health Dept. This is just one valid reason why they made boys to swim nude in pools. It did not apply to girls because female modesty overruled these rules.

Another valid reason was because boys would leave their swimsuits in the lockers where they formed mould. So hygiene was one very valid reason why they made boys to swim nude.

Even IF a male administrator assigned females to oversee the physical exams, was there any legit reason the teacher pulled down my underpants when I was lying on my back and had me stay like that until she got the thermometer ready?

Was there any reason the teacher in the other section was standing behind me and came around to the front when my shorts were down and looked right at my privates?

She could have been discrete and looked away. I will agree, not everyone was damaged by it. I really don't think it hurt me, though not everyone would respond the same.

I was embarrassed and couldn't look those two teachers both of whom I had for classes in the eye for awhile and was a bit tongue tied when I did have to talk to them.

But there was no permanent damage. And the various situations with my mom, they were slightly embarrassing, but I got over them easily.

She was always comfortable to be around. It is even more unusual since you mention that this happened in 8th grade when you were 13 or Did she do the same to other boys or just you?

Was she the only teacher that chaperoned the boys like that or were there other teachers who also did the same? I would agree with you that she went a bit too far by humiliating and embarrassing you in that way.

But like I said this was certainly not the norm when teachers chaperoned boys for their physical exams. No, I'm sure temperatures were not the norm, which is the reason I posted my experience; it was different than most.

But that misses the point. The female teachers saw us with out underpants down. They easily could have looked the other way.

What was their reason for looking right at our genitals or butt? Again, it was quite awhile ago and we accepted it. And I don't think it did any damage to me personally, but it does beg the question as to why they all looked at us naked.

They may have liked young teen boys' butts, but I really doubt they were turned on seeing my little privates, so there was some other reason for them to look.

As I said, unlike some of the others in this thread, I don't believe it harmed me, but there's nothing wrong with trying to understand the dynamic and their motivation.

That certainty was a source of great joy among the women posters on this site. Nudity was great but nudity plus embarrassment was so much better.

If she looked away while the boy was being examined naked, including their genital exam, she would not be doing her duty as a chaperone.

In fact that is the main duty of a chaperone, to watch the boy during the exam. So don't blame the teacher, she was only doing her duty, whether she enjoyed doing so or not.

I am sure most women would enjoy seeing teen boys nude under their charge as was in your case. But if there was any blame it should be given to the school administration who put her in that responsible position.

How old was the teacher? Did she show any signs of enjoying it, like smiling while she watched? As I said, they may have gotten off seeing our butts, but certainly not our undeveloped genitals.

It seems a lot of adults back then enjoyed seeing kids embarrassed,although much of it was harmless fun. But sure, they enjoyed our embarrassment.

Steve, I'm not missing your point; I'm making a different point. Maybe they were assigned to watch the exams by a male administrator. Keep in mind, this was the 's.

No doctor, pediatrician, gyn, anyone, ever required a chaperone to ensure all was done properly. The sole purpose of the teachers was to make sure we were properly identified and that we went through the process without causing trouble or being uncooperative, as young teen boys, when nervous, often do.

They were not instructed to watch the exams 'up close. I have no problem with a teacher enjoying seeing a boy naked, if that does it for her.

I DO have a problem is that's her motivation for doing so. Making sure we were cooperative didnt' require her to look at us when we were naked.

While it sounds cliche', the one who took my temp was young, was in her third year of teaching, I believe.

The other one was 'older,' as I view her at the time. Probably in her 30's or 40'. I didn't have much basis for figuring ages then.

Yes, the one watching me get the genital exam had a very clear smirk on her face. The one who took my temp smiled when she was done, but that might have been a friendly smile.

But they both smiled when they talked to me about it later. Were the other boys the same too? Maybe this is why the administrators saw it as no big deal having a female teacher to chaperone you boys.

How many boys were there and were they all same age? By the way you describe that there was a whole bag full of used temperatures it seems that there were quite a few boys that the teachers saw naked.

Were there only two teachers doing the chaperoning for all boys and did this just happen once or regular at your school? Also being a private school did the female teachers see you naked at other times, like during showers?

However, I have no tolerance for people who twist around what others say, to meet their own goals. THIS time I'll write it off as a function of your literacy.

First of all, I didn't say "I" had undeveloped genitals, I said "our" undeveloped genitals. And upthread I mentioned the teachers not likely being turned on by our little genitals.

No, I don't recall that I was behind in my development. My point was, the genitals of a typical year old boy would probably not arouse a grown woman.

Btw, speaking of 'the point,' what relevance does the stage of my genital development have in this conversation anyhow?

Actually, that raised another reason they shouldn't have been looking: it would even be worse for an underdeveloped boy to be seen by his female teacher.

I didn't say there was "a whole bag full of used temperatures;" I said "one partially filled box of used thermometers.

I'm reluctant to even put forth the effort to address your other questions, some of which are answered in my previous posts in this thread. It sounds like you're sealioning.

The point is not who assigned them to chaperone us. It is, given that the function of the chaperone was NOT to witness the exam, but rather to ensure our proper behavior and identification, there was no reason the teachers should have been looking at our genitals or butt.

Up thread John asked if it could be that they enjoyed our embarrassment. It most certainly was. When I first laid on my back and the teacher slid down my shorts, I put my hands over my privates.

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